Today, I had one of those sparring sessions where I got so frustrated that I started crying. 

I wasn’t hurt or upset, and I didn’t have to stop training. Tears just seemed to come out of nowhere as I drew breath in between rounds. This has happened to me several times before, and each time, it’s been uncomfortable to deal with.

This sparring session was a particularly difficult one, as the partner I was working with presented some frustrating problems for me. He alternated between pummelling me and running away, and I struggled to close the gap and counter. He also danced around and mocked me, sometimes either putting his hands down completely or just stopping and guarding up as if to say ‘I’ll give you a chance to hit me now’. These are things that my trainers or other sparring partners will often do in a playful way, but this felt somehow different. Getting hit is never a problem for me as long as there’s control, but I do become irked when men with a significant size advantage overpower me and then start showboating. I don’t want my sparring partners to patronise me, go easy on me, or treat me any differently because of my gender. But I do prefer for them to give me some respect and the chance to learn, so that there’s a mutual exchange. On this day, that wasn’t the case, and it brought my emotions closer to the surface than usual.

The problem with this training session wasn’t really the sparring itself, but the feelings it drew out of me.  

It was the frustration of not being able to execute the techniques that I wanted to, along with the fact that I felt like my opponent wasn’t respecting me as a worthy sparring partner, and the pressure of having various trainers watching and shouting at me at the same time. Other times, I’ve been pushed to tears in other ways by repeatedly being overpowered and worn down in sparring, clinching or padwork, or simply from pure exhaustion. Sometimes, it’s a wave of release that comes completely by surprise during a relentless training schedule. In my first few fights, I also cried immediately after stepping out of the ring, regardless of the result. Whatever it was on this day, I let it get the better of me, and came out of that session with a nice purple bruise on my left cheek to show for it. In hingsight, my sparring partner probably wasn’t intentionally disrespecting me at all, and was perhaps just doing what he would normally do with anyone else. But my insecurities were heightened, and as a result, I became frustrated to the point of tears. It’s something that I need to work through. 

I don’t react well under pressure, and I need to train myself out of that. I’ll often allow myself to be backed onto the ropes or step out without following up on combinations, and those are other issues I also need to fix. But it’s a process to train yourself out of responses that seem to be hard-wired into you, which takes time, practice, and conditioning. This reaction is the same. It’s just a normal, involuntary response from my body that I should recognise. Even if my ego would rather ignore it and continue training. 

On the occasions that my male sparring partners or trainers have witnessed these breaking points, they’ve mostly been at a loss for what to do. They’ll usually respond by frantically apologising and backing off, and while I completely understand why, I’d rather they didn’t. I’d usually prefer to push through and keep training, but this will differ from time to time and person to person. Personally, I’d much rather have those awkward moments and make everyone in the gym feel a little uncomfortable than be patronised, ignored or made to feel worse. Making a big deal out of it makes me feel vulnerable, which is the opposite of how I want to feel or to appear to others. I also don’t want my training partners to assume that the tears mean that I want to stop training, or that I’m ‘not cut out for it’. They don’t. Crying doesn’t necessarily mean that I’m upset or hurt, and it certainly doesn’t make me weak. It’s just part of pushing myself through emotional barriers in training, which is a very personal experience and not something I want to invite others into (at least, not in the moment). But as uncomfortable as it is, I know that experiencing it, acknowledging it and learning how to deal with it will make me better equipped to cope with these uncomfortable moments in the future. 

At the same time, we shouldn’t encourage fighters to always ignore tears or treat them as a sign of weakness. While pushing through pain is glorified in sport and certainly a requirement at times in combat sports, gym cultures in which pain and discomfort are routinely ignored can result in real harm to athletes. If you notice your student or training partner tearing up, check in to ask how they are and what they need. This doesn’t have to mean stopping training (depending on the situation). It can be as simple as a brief exchange of words in the moment, or a nod between training partners who are particularly attuned to each other.

Sylvie von Duuglas-Ittu has written about crying in Muay Thai training and the gender dynamic of this experience in a post which also includes quotes from other fighters on how they’ve dealt with it.

This is where men have an advantage over women: from a very early age boys are taught to hide their emotions, not to show when it hurts. Babies can cry but that shit stops at a certain age when young boys are taught what it means to perform their gender. Little girls are taught the opposite. We’re taught to show our pain and wear our emotions at the surface and if whoever is hurting us doesn’t stop when we show them that it hurts is an asshole. The onus is on the jerk who doesn’t know better than to hit or tease a girl. This isn’t so with men. If you show that you’re hurt, you’re weak. Period. As fighters, as persons who are learning to overcome every pain that we’ve stitched into ourselves over the course of our lifetimes, women have to – in this one way – move toward the path that is taught to men. (Don’t misunderstand: men do cry too. Watch any given episode of The Ultimate Fighter for a male tear-fest.)

Sylvie von Duuglas-Ittu – ‘There Is Crying in Muay Thai – Emotional Training’

Parts of training and fighting can feel isolating at times, and for many of us, this is one of them. But crying in training is not abnormal or shameful, nor is it limited by gender. There are plenty of men who are just as familiar with this experience. Discussing it openly not only helps to dispel the stigma, but also allows us, and our training partners, to understand how to deal with it when it happens in the gym.

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Laura · December 8, 2013 at 6:08 pm

Hi Emma! This is laura from the gym. I’m glad you’re writing about this topic. This happened to me once and I felt so stupid. Just tears roling down during a sparring session. For me it was the combination of being exhausted by the training and frustration because the sparring didn’t go well. Just like you I wished people would ignore it because I did wanted to continue, but like you say: hard for people to beat up a crying girl :-).

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    aine · July 11, 2014 at 1:39 am

    hi emma, my name is aine, i am 11 years old, doing mauy thai for 4 years, and i cry sometimes in sparring or after, because i get so angry at myself when things dont go right, also once i cried but didnt really now why. really enjoyed reading your peice
    aine

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Denise Li · December 9, 2013 at 12:07 pm

Hi Emma, thank you for writing this post! I have practised muay thai and boxing for four years now and what you said definitely resonated with me. I’ve come away from many training sessions blinking away tears of frustration mixed in with a lot of doubt about my skills.

It is a sad fact that we will always encounter disrespectful guys when we train but I’m sure you have it in you to overcome. I’m sure guys sometimes feel the same way though their physical response might differ.

I guess what I’m trying to say is, keep training hard… don’t let the disrespectful treatment get to you and treat it as a good opportunity to learn some new skills such as how to deal with an opponent that keeps running away, or how to dodge a stronger and relentless opponent.

Good luck with training!!!

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    Emma · December 9, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    Hi Denise,

    Thank you for your comment. I’m grateful for all the feedback I’ve had on this topic so far, because it seems like a much more common experience than I realised.

    You are right in saying that working with an opponent like that is a good opportunity for me, because it forces me to work out of my comfort zone. Being able to conceal impact or frustration in the ring is important, but it’s a skill that can sometimes be tough to work on.

    Good luck with your training, too 🙂

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Toni · December 10, 2013 at 9:30 am

These people trigger emotions deep inside you, get to know them,they are a very important lessons for you and will make your inner self strong, i cried at frustrations with myself and others while sparing for years, the end result is what matters, crying is not a sign of weakness, but strength, get it on girl!

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Boxing scientist · December 28, 2013 at 4:34 pm

I was impressed by Sylvie’s frank post on this topic and I’m impressed by yours too. I takes courage to talk frankly about crying when you’re in love with a sport that places such emphasis on self-discipline and endurance.

If it’s any help, men can cry too. Of course boys, especially, are brought up not to react to pain, certainly not by crying. That makes it even harder for us to admit to having done it., so here is my confession.

I have cried. It was when I was 23 and came after my first 10 round fight. I’d been looking forward to it for years. I didn’t do as well as I’d hoped (to put it mildly) and took quite a hard beating. I went back to the dressing room and cried my eyes out. It wasn’t the pain or damage. I’d had plenty of that before and i’d learned not to react to it. It was sheer frustration that I hadn’t done well in a fight that I was really looking forward to for a long time. Incidentally, I’ve never told anyone about this before. Your own frankness has teased the memory of that day out of me and that’s good. The good side is that it made me step up my training (and yes, the next time I won).

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    Under the Ropes · December 29, 2013 at 12:48 am

    Hi there,

    Thanks so much for taking the time to comment and share your story. There has been a handful of men who’ve admitted to similar experiences since I published this post, which is really comforting. As painful as it can be, it’s always a growing experience in the long-run!

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Kylie · January 29, 2014 at 7:05 pm

Hi there,
My Coach (god bless him) just sent me the link to this post. Thanks for sharing it. I am very new to Muay Thai – just reached 1 year! This happens to me usually when I am completely exhausted and my Coach throws in a 5 min round of everyone grappling with me for 30 seconds (prep for my first fight). Pushing yourself past your comfort zone. I hate it – can’t stop it. Just really glad to know that I’m not the only one.
Thanks again, Kylie

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    Under the Ropes · January 30, 2014 at 1:19 pm

    Hi Kylie,

    Thanks for your comment. It’s really nice that your coach thought to send this to you. You’re definitely not the only one. In fact, a lot of men have told me that they’ve gone through the same thing!

    – Emma

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Shane · February 21, 2014 at 2:04 am

Great post Emma – I too am often swamped by people bigger than I in north america, and can get frustrated with sparring partners overpowering you. Trying to reflect this same attitude in people that are smaller than I can be difficult and I would be interested to see to which degree gyms “kill or be killed” approach infringes on actual learning and development. I feel once I went to Thailand and trained under a philosophy of learning vs. toughness that my development skyrocketed as well as nurturing more healthy attitudes towards sparring and team mates.

Anyways, cant wait to come back and hopefully spar with you again sometime!!

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Andrew · May 30, 2014 at 7:22 pm

Interesting article and of obvious value to other female fighters here who are commenting. As a male training in Muay Thai and coming in on the tall, tattooed and heavy side I can honestly say this issue still crosses gender. Exhaustion and frustration are a very emotive combination. I think we feel it the same way but show it differently.
I think men react with anger at their emotions rather than acceptance. Potentially explains less tears on the guy side and more sparring sessions that escalate out of hand.

Also, as a larger guy who spars with girls. Please dont feel disrespected. I know i change and experiment more when sparring with ladies as i want it to be a learning experience for both parties. Clinching and kneeing for 3 minutes wouldnt help either party. I guess i’m saying try and see the best in the person. Hard at the time i know , but if you can leave without holding a grudge then all good.

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Lissy · July 31, 2014 at 3:25 am

today I was sparring at my gym, open sparring. It was my first proper open sparring session. I was against 4 people who were double my age and had fought before. Me being the youngest at 13, I was fairly confident it would be a gentle but harsh session. I was punched in the face quite a lot and my eyes began to water. I gave someone a pretty decent backhand and they punched me square on my nose making my nose bleed quite hard. I come to my auntie to clean me up and I began to cry. It hurt but I wasn’t crying because I was hurt, I was crying because of my pride. Crying made it worse because it made me feel even worse about my pride and it was a downwards spiral from there. I want to stop crying during sparring because it’s not a nice thing to have to live with.
I want to be able to fight as an amature female boxer, however if I can’t take a punch my dreams will be down the drain.
Any advice?
Thanks
-Lissy x

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    Under the Ropes · August 4, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    Hi Lissy,

    Thanks so much for reading and commenting, it’s nice to hear from you! From my own experiences and from the feedback I’ve had on this post so far, it seems that most of us aren’t usually crying because of the pain, but because of some other mental aspect like frustration or being overwhelmed. I’ve also found that it happens to FAR more people than I’d previously thought, even quite a few men got in touch with me to say they had experienced the same thing.

    Being smaller and less experienced can be quite frustrating in sparring at the best of times, and since it was your very first proper sparring session, I wouldn’t worry at all! It’s totally normal and something that happens to me quite often. It doesn’t mean that you ‘can’t take a punch’ at all. As you keep training, you’ll familiarise yourself with these things and as you learn to deal with them, they’ll make you a better fighter. Keep at it and do let me know how you get on 🙂

    – Emma

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Crying Man · February 24, 2016 at 4:51 am

This is not a female only problem. Men does too. It’s the feeling of hopelessness and frustration that makes the tears come out. It’s not pain, it’s not anything, it’s not even real crying. But tears still come out for no reason. As if you’re not frustrated enough, the tears surely doesn’t help.

For me, it’s mostly self inflicted as I’m thinking that I’ve been training for a few months now and I shouldn’t be this useless. Nothing I do works and the other guy is hitting me whenever he wants to. This was just a regular sparring session, no taunting, no hands down. But I just couldn’t do anything. Frustration and hopelessness. And I suppose the realization of what a shitty fighter you are. That last one is I think a macho thing that only guys get. Maybe I’ll feel better if I say to myself that it’s ok to get beat up by this more experienced guy. But I just can’t and I’m too hard on myself and the emotion just gets the better of me. So don’t feel bad ladies cuz guys get it too.

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Clara · May 22, 2018 at 1:39 am

Does anyone have any advice on how to avoid crying after getting lots of powerful punches and kicks from Blue to black belts in Taekwondo Sparring?

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Aubry Snow · October 29, 2018 at 9:46 pm

Thank you so much for writing this. I’ve been struggling with this exactly a lot lately. And even though crying is purely an emotional response to the frustration we feel, it seems like we’re hurt to our partners. And that makes us feel vulnerable and it’s easy for us to get in our heads about our success in the round because of that.

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    Under the Ropes · October 29, 2018 at 11:34 pm

    Yes! I was just talking to someone about this the other day. Glad you found the post useful!

Being the Little Guy | Under The Ropes · March 25, 2014 at 2:28 pm

[…] The size disparity between me and my sparring partners isn’t usually quite that big, although it is often significant. Training with a variety of people with different weights, sizes and skill levels is always beneficial and keeps my training dynamic. I’m not always training with giants, that would be silly. However, working with bigger and heavier training partners is helpful for preparing me for fights because I usually have to fight larger opponents. My last fight was one of the rare occasions where I was up against someone my size, and in comparison to the people I’m up against on a daily basis, she seemed like a snack. I enjoy this kind of training and I’m aware of how much it helps me to improve. That being said, if I’m constantly sparring with bigger people, it can sometimes become frustrating. This became apparent to me in one particular training session recently. I was having trouble reaching my opponent, their shins seemed to destroy mine and even in controlled sparring, the difference in weight behind everything that they threw was wearing me down. Clinching was another matter, where I seemed to be getting thrown to the canvas far too often, my head yanked down far more than I would have liked, and being generally over-powered. On any other day, I would have loved the challenge. It doesn’t usually bother me, but on this particular occasion, it did. I thought to myself ‘ugh, I would just like to spar or clinch with someone my own size for a change! I always have to be the little guy’. I’m not sure why I became so whiney in that moment. Perhaps it was a result of mental and physical exhaustion and built-up frustration. I’m certainly not unaccustomed to those moments, one of which I wrote about in a previous post: Crying – Training: It Happens. […]

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